5.6.1. Ciro Santilli’s claim to the Qing Dynasty throne (三西猴清朝皇帝觊觎)
Ciro Santilli’s Ciro Santilli’s wife (三西猴的老婆), her mother, and paternal cousin, believe that Ciro’s wife is the descendant of the brother of a recent Qing emperor through her father’s family.
Although they have not been able to produce concrete evidence, which could be explained by the endless political turmoils in 20th century China, Ciro decided that this would be a good bet to take, and married her anyway.
If anyone is able to provide further evidence of this relationship, please, please, please get in touch.
One thing to keep in mind is that the Qing Dynasty (清朝, 大清, 1636-1912), like the previous Ming Dynasty (明朝, 1368-1644), used Generation names (行辈), such that the first character of the given name is the same for all people in a given generation (counted directly from the first emperor that adopted the rule.
For example, this wiki page contains a good family tree of the most important Qing people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_tree_of_Chinese_monarchs_(late)#Qing_dynasty and we see that many important people around 1861 were Zai 載something, e.g.: Zaichun, Zaiyi, Zaitian, etc.
The last emperor was Puyi, so Pu is the last well known mark. But there were others planned that never got used for after him as shown at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisin_Gioro#List_of_generation_prefixes.
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Zai (before Pu)
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Pu (wife’s great-grandfather)
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Yu (wife’s grandfather)
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Heng (wife’s father)
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Qi (wife)
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Dao (wife’s children). At least one thing is decided from this: Ciro’s children Chinese names will all be Ai Dao Something.
The family tree that Ciro has reconstructed orally from his mother-in-law is:
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Ciro’s wife:
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Father: Ai Dayi (艾大义) born: 1932 in Shenyang, see also: Ciro Santilli’s father-in-law (三西猴的)
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Father: Ai Xikang (艾锡康) So why did he not use Yu?
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Father: Ai Pushan (艾溥?), so the Pu character is presumed from the generation name, to be the same generation as Puyi. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaitao has a Pushen (溥伸), but he died at 13 years old in 1928, so its not the one.
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Younger brother 2: Ai Xiyuan (艾锡?) Professor at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeastern_University_(China) Apparently had no Children.
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Younger brother 3: Ai Xicong (艾锡?) Graduated in law in Japan in Waseda University Was the top official of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Police_Agency_(Japan) in China when it was occupied by Japan (警察廳长) Passed first by Taiwan.
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Younger brother 4: Ai Xiying (艾锡?)
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Younger brother 5: Ai Xifu (艾锡?) Together with Ai Xiying, they were went to the Republic of China Military Academy and were high ranking officials in the war against the Japanese in the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sino-Japanese_War (八年抗战). Later was a congressman in Taiwan.
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Younger sister: Ai Shiping (艾世?)
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Older brother: Zhao Yingjie. Studied law in Japan also at Waseda University.
Many of them have had different names in different places/countries, notably many used the name 肇(Zhao) rather than 艾.
Further anecdotal indicators follow.
Ciro’s wife and family are clearly of the Manchu ethnicity just by looking at them, and they originally lived in the North East of China
Ciro’s wife’s family name is the 艾, pronounced "ai4", which she claims is a reference to the 愛 (also pronounced ai4) in Aisin Gioro (愛新覺羅氏), which is the name of the Manchu ruling clan of the Qing dynasty.
艾 iself is however a somewhat common family name, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ai_(surname) mentions that it is listed in the Hundred Family Surnames (百家姓), a list of common surnames compiled in the Song Dynasty (宋朝, 960-1279) with around 400.000 members as of 2008. Presumably members of the falling Qing dynasty chose that relatively common Chinese name to avoid persecution, while still retaining a bit of their history.
Bibliography:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_of_the_House_of_Aisin_Gioro
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https://www.zhihu.com/question/34813921 现在清朝皇室的后代现状如何? What is the current status of the descendants of the Qing royal family?
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https://www.quora.com/Are-there-any-descendants-of-the-Qing-Dynasty-left-currently
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https://arxiv.org/pdf/1412.6274.pdf "Y Chromosome of Aisin Gioro, the Imperial House of Qing Dynasty" unknown year. Unfortunately Ciro’s wife does not have an Y chromosome like her father. This does however mention the book used as a genealogy reference: https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/愛新覺羅宗譜.html?id=Pj4EAQAAIAAJ 愛新覺羅宗譜 On Douban: https://book.douban.com/subject/4162448/ gives ISBN 9787507713428 On Amazon unavailable: https://www.amazon.com/dp/7507713423. Lol this makes this repo show up at: https://paperswithcode.com/paper/y-chromosome-of-aisin-gioro-the-imperial
Figure 22. Ciro Santilli’s portrait as Qing emperor. Original image.
Ciro Santilli’s Ciro Santilli’s wife (三西猴的老婆), her mother, and paternal cousin, believe that Ciro’s wife is the descendant of the brother of a recent Qing emperor through her father’s family.
Although they have not been able to produce concrete evidence, which could be explained by the endless political turmoils in 20th century China, Ciro decided that this would be a good bet to take, and married her anyway.
If anyone is able to provide further evidence of this relationship, please, please, please get in touch.
One thing to keep in mind is that the Qing Dynasty (清朝, 大清, 1636-1912), like the previous Ming Dynasty (明朝, 1368-1644), used Generation names (行辈), such that the first character of the given name is the same for all people in a given generation (counted directly from the first emperor that adopted the rule.
For example, this wiki page contains a good family tree of the most important Qing people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_tree_of_Chinese_monarchs_(late)#Qing_dynasty and we see that many important people around 1861 were Zai 載something, e.g.: Zaichun, Zaiyi, Zaitian, etc.
The last emperor was Puyi, so Pu is the last well known mark. But there were others planned that never got used for after him as shown at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisin_Gioro#List_of_generation_prefixes.
-
Zai (before Pu)
-
Pu (wife’s great-grandfather)
-
Yu (wife’s grandfather)
-
Heng (wife’s father)
-
Qi (wife)
-
Dao (wife’s children). At least one thing is decided from this: Ciro’s children Chinese names will all be Ai Dao Something.
The family tree that Ciro has reconstructed orally from his mother-in-law is:
-
Ciro’s wife:
-
Father: Ai Dayi (艾大义) born: 1932 in Shenyang, see also: Ciro Santilli’s father-in-law (三西猴的)
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Father: Ai Xikang (艾锡康) So why did he not use Yu?
-
Father: Ai Pushan (艾溥?), so the Pu character is presumed from the generation name, to be the same generation as Puyi. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaitao has a Pushen (溥伸), but he died at 13 years old in 1928, so its not the one.
-
Younger brother 2: Ai Xiyuan (艾锡?) Professor at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeastern_University_(China) Apparently had no Children.
-
Younger brother 3: Ai Xicong (艾锡?) Graduated in law in Japan in Waseda University Was the top official of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Police_Agency_(Japan) in China when it was occupied by Japan (警察廳长) Passed first by Taiwan.
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Younger brother 4: Ai Xiying (艾锡?)
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Younger brother 5: Ai Xifu (艾锡?) Together with Ai Xiying, they were went to the Republic of China Military Academy and were high ranking officials in the war against the Japanese in the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sino-Japanese_War (八年抗战). Later was a congressman in Taiwan.
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Younger sister: Ai Shiping (艾世?)
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Older brother: Zhao Yingjie. Studied law in Japan also at Waseda University.
-
Many of them have had different names in different places/countries, notably many used the name 肇(Zhao) rather than 艾.
Further anecdotal indicators follow.
Ciro’s wife and family are clearly of the Manchu ethnicity just by looking at them, and they originally lived in the North East of China
Ciro’s wife’s family name is the 艾, pronounced "ai4", which she claims is a reference to the 愛 (also pronounced ai4) in Aisin Gioro (愛新覺羅氏), which is the name of the Manchu ruling clan of the Qing dynasty.
艾 iself is however a somewhat common family name, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ai_(surname) mentions that it is listed in the Hundred Family Surnames (百家姓), a list of common surnames compiled in the Song Dynasty (宋朝, 960-1279) with around 400.000 members as of 2008. Presumably members of the falling Qing dynasty chose that relatively common Chinese name to avoid persecution, while still retaining a bit of their history.
Bibliography:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_of_the_House_of_Aisin_Gioro
-
https://www.zhihu.com/question/34813921 现在清朝皇室的后代现状如何? What is the current status of the descendants of the Qing royal family?
-
https://www.quora.com/Are-there-any-descendants-of-the-Qing-Dynasty-left-currently
-
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1412.6274.pdf "Y Chromosome of Aisin Gioro, the Imperial House of Qing Dynasty" unknown year. Unfortunately Ciro’s wife does not have an Y chromosome like her father. This does however mention the book used as a genealogy reference: https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/愛新覺羅宗譜.html?id=Pj4EAQAAIAAJ 愛新覺羅宗譜 On Douban: https://book.douban.com/subject/4162448/ gives ISBN 9787507713428 On Amazon unavailable: https://www.amazon.com/dp/7507713423. Lol this makes this repo show up at: https://paperswithcode.com/paper/y-chromosome-of-aisin-gioro-the-imperial